at yale law school we start add program where we train law students to use film and video in their advocacy, an innovation in legal education. at auburn seminary, we're reinventing ourself to have faith leaders reorganize campaigns. these kinds of innovations ought to be happening not just at the elite university, at the public schools so students feel like they're getting what they're paying for. >> ben, as someone who is on the job creator, hiring side -- i understand you said i've dropped out of tons of colleges, right? when you're thinking about a worker or someone that you're going to hire, i think there's this real tension between schools, universities wanting to give you a liberal arts education and on the other hand equip you to get a job in this market. >> mostly you want someone who has good work habits, a good work ethic, someone who is going to show up, put in a full day's work and someone who has got either good critical thinking skills so they can learn, so that they can be doing con stand learning. what we needed an employee to do five years ago is really different from what